What is FAIR?
Well Bob, a correct
understanding of the Gospel makes it plain. I will try to explain using
sources that you have told me already that you say
that you believe.
The question is do all people really believe what God has said to his prophets
in the scriptures, or do
they just ignore with disbelief the things that they don’t want to hear
about.
Jesus said: “Be ye
therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is
perfect.” Matthew 5: 48
So Bob, did Jesus ever give us any commandment that he
thought was impossible for us to keep?
You say that nobody is without sin. I will
agree, but you don’t understand what sin really is. The word we call sin
in the English language, is from the Hebrew word “chata” which means to
miss the mark, to err. Think of using a bow to shoot an arrow at a
target. Unless you hit what we call the Bulls eye, in the center you
have missed the mark, and erred, or sinned.
Bob, I think that you are
perfect in 2nd. Or 3rd grade math. I doubt if you
ever miss the mark in spelling at 5th. Or 6th grade
level either. So what commandments do you know about that you can
keep and be perfect as Jesus commanded? I think that you do not kill. I
think that you do not bow down to any graven images as Exodus 20: 4 tells
us. So there you are perfect. Now what you need to do is to learn
about the rest of Gods commandments and keep all of
them. The Gospel is so designed that as you move up from one level
of Priesthood to another, you have to become
more perfect in more
things. Until you arrive at the
point in this life that you can receive the Promises from God that your calling and election is sure.
And that you will share in the glories of the Celestial kingdom, and that
all the covenants that you were told about in the Aaronic endowment will
be fulfilled and come to pass.
You will remember that you were told
then that “all these blessings are based upon your
faithfulness.” So
if you are NOT faithful, you don’t get the blessing.
So Bob if you will remain
faithful to God, then I personally can tell
you that he absolutely will
fulfill his promise to you. Do you really believe D&C
93:1
“Verily, thus saith the Lord: It shall come to pass that
every soul who forsaketh his sins and cometh unto me, and calleth on my
name, and obeyeth my voice, and keepeth my commandments,
shall see my face and
know that I
am.”
How do you feel about this one? D&C 130:
3 Do you really believe it?
“John 14:23—The appearing of the Father and
the Son, in that verse, is a personal appearance; and the
idea that the Father and the Son dwell in a man's heart is an old
sectarian notion, and is false.”
Do you really believe this.
D&C 52: 14-19 “And
again, I will give unto you a
pattern in all things, that ye may not be deceived; for Satan is
abroad in the land, and he goeth forth deceiving the nations— (Can you follow a pattern?)
15 Wherefore he that prayeth, whose spirit is
contrite, the same is accepted of me if he obey mine ordinances.
(Bob, the LDS Church can’t even teach D&C 132 the first
six verses, or obey them. They make
excuses for NOT obeying Matthew 4: 4)
16 He that speaketh, whose spirit is contrite,
whose language is meek and edifieth, the same is of God if he
(she) obey mine ordinances. (Only an
idiot would expect to cut a square and then fold it into a circle. Or try
to fit a square peg into a round hole.)
17 And again, he
that trembleth under my power shall be made strong, and shall bring forth
fruits of praise and wisdom, according to the
revelations and truths which I have
given you.
((If the
pattern you have does not fit the revelations and truths given,
then you just can’t get the results.
Just try to bake a cake and
use salt in the recipe instead of sugar, and see how well you like the
results. Or use dirt instead of flour. People
think they are smarter than God and will just not follow the recipe
he has written in the scriptures.)
18 And again, he that is overcome and bringeth
not forth fruits, even according to this pattern, is not of me. (Read
what fruits
are in 2nd. Nephi 3 It tells us
19 times in just that one chapter what fruit is. Verses 4,5,6,7,11,12,14,18,19,21.)
19 Wherefore, by this pattern ye shall know the
spirits in all cases under the whole heavens.” D&C 52:14-19
The Prophet Joseph Smith tells us: “There are a
great many wise men and
women too in our midst who are too wise to be
taught; therefore they must die in
their ignorance, and in the resurrection they will find their
mistake. Many seal up the door of heaven by saying, So far God may
reveal and I will believe. All men who become heirs of God and joint heirs
with Jesus Christ will have to receive the fulness of the ordinances of his kingdom; and those who
will not receive all the ordinances will come short of the
fullness of that glory, if they do not lose the whole.”
(Joseph Smith,
Teachings of the Prophet
Joseph Smith, selected and arranged by Joseph Fielding Smith
[Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1976], Page
309.)
Bob read
all of my links on Calling and Election Sure to see that the LDS Church people only have
two
Priesthoods. That a man must have more than one woman sealed to him to
qualify for the Highest 3rd. Priesthood they don’t even
understand about. CLICK HERE to those Links. Quotes are from former LDS Authorities they now
reject. So how do they explain these scriptures?
“O ye
pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers,
who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why
have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to
take upon you the name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the
value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies—because of
the praise of the world?” Mormon 8: 38
“For do we not read that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and in him there is no variableness neither shadow of changing?” Mormon 9: 9
“For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a
changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all
eternity. Moroni 8:
18
“I perceive that it has been made known unto you,
by the testimony of his word, that he cannot walk in crooked paths; neither doth he vary from that which he hath said; neither hath he a shadow
of turning from the right to the left, or from that which is right
to that which is wrong; therefore, his course is one eternal round.”
Alma 7:
20
“But thou art the same yesterday, today, and forever; and thou hast elected us that we shall be saved, whilst all around us are elected to be cast by thy wrath down to hell; for the which holiness, O God, we thank thee; and we also thank thee that thou hast elected us, that we may not be led away after the foolish traditions of our brethren, which doth bind them down to a belief of Christ, which doth lead their hearts to wander far from thee, our God.” Alma 31: 17
“And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever.” 2 Nephi 29: 9
Bob, just ask any of
the Mormon Church leaders today and they will tell you that I am
full of dung (shit). Because they don’t believe
their own scriptures that God can speak
to some poor, crippled farmer with more than one woman sealed to
him.
They think that God has lost his voice. I would
almost agree because he has been screaming at them so long. Millions of
people would rather die than believe what God has said to his
prophets. See D&C 64:
38-39 that says: “For it shall come to pass that the inhabitants of
Zion shall judge all things pertaining to Zion.
And liars and hypocrites
shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and
prophets shall be
known.” Doctrine and Covenants 64: 38-39
“And the rebellious shall be pierced with much sorrow; for their
iniquities shall be spoken upon the housetops, (TV) and their secret acts
shall be revealed. And the voice of warning shall be unto
all people, by the mouths of my disciples, whom I have chosen in these last days.
And they shall go forth and none shall stay them, for I the Lord have commanded
them.” Doctrine and Covenants 1: 3 -5
Bob have you kept the
commandment: “Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the
people, and it becometh every man who hath been
warned to warn his neighbor. Therefore,
they are left without excuse, and their sins are upon their own heads.
He (she) that seeketh me early shall find me, and shall not be
forsaken. Therefore, tarry ye, and labor diligently, that you may be perfected in your ministry to go forth among
the Gentiles for the last time, as many as the mouth of the Lord shall
name, to bind up the law and seal up the testimony, and to prepare the saints for the hour of
judgment which is to come; That their souls may escape the wrath of God,
the desolation of abomination which awaits
the wicked, both in this world and in the world to come.”
Doctrine and Covenants 88: 81-
85
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Bob, after I received
a revelation last week and then called you for permission to put our email
correspondences on my web site, I called Salt Lake City and asked some of
our people to go to the “FAIR” meeting in Sandy. They said OK. Thursday
8/05
I got up at 4:30 am. And drove to SLC and met them at the
Conference in Sandy.
In two days we talked to many people and gave out
free bookmarks.
Many good people were there and I thought of Joseph’s
quote: “For there are many yet on the earth among all sects,
parties, denominations, who are blinded by the subtle craftiness of men,
whereby they lie in wait to deceive, and who are
only kept from the truth because they know not where to find it.” Joseph
Smith,
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph
Smith, selected and arranged by Joseph Fielding Smith [Salt
Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1976], Pages 145-146
I told Scott Gordon the
President of FAIR (The Foundation for
Apologetic Information & Research (FAIR) www.fairlds.org and a few others
who were standing near him to watch for Gordon B. Hinckley to die in
December and shortly after his death that millions in the USA would die in
the surprise attack.
I am afraid that he and those others will just
procrastinate like Alma tells :
“And now,
as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore,
I beseech of you that ye do not
procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after
this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we
do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of
darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.
34 Ye cannot say, when
ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I
will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say
this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the
time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to
possess your body in that eternal world.
35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.
36 And this I know, because the Lord hath said he dwelleth not in unholy temples, but in the hearts of the righteous doth he dwell; yea, and he has also said that the righteous shall sit down in his kingdom, to go no more out; but their garments should be made white through the blood of the Lamb.” Alma 34: 33-36
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----- From: Leland Freeborn i.e.
parowanprophet.com
Sent: Tuesday,
August 02, 2005 10:50
AM
Subject: RE: Priesthood question
answers
Bob, your
assumption is correct, that “your” priesthood can only be taken away by
your “Un-righteous acts. If you ever did sustain the LDS Authorities in
their apostasy, then God would say “He is for the devil, and not me.” He
would say “amen” to you, that’s the end. See the
“Excommunication Link” on my home page. The reason we
re-confirm the priesthood is because “Baptism” washes away “the past”
completely. John Taylor prophesied the day “would” come when the men in
the Church would “NOT” have the authority of the Priesthood. It was in
that Musser Book you had for awhile. He said that in 1886. Priesthood is
the authority to act for God. Any un-righteous acts out of line with the
commandments are not valid. See DC 121: 34-38 AND verse 39 ! !
that is why I try to “prove” everything with quotes for persuasion, and
pure knowledge. See verses 40-41 You are well off I think,
just hold onto the Iron Rod. Bless you.
From: Bob
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005
10:45 AM
To: Leland Freeborn i.e.
parowanprophet.com
Subject: Re: Priesthood question
Leland,
Thank you for your
informative and detailed reply.
My question was directed more to what
happened to the priesthood, which is without beginning or end of days,
etc. I've read your writings, quotes et al many
times. I have also taken your direction in requesting a witness as
to your prophetship, priesthood etc.
I have earnestly sought such and
to date, still await the witness.
My question is more directed
to "what happened to my priesthood"?
I was ordained an elder
8/29/1970 which was before the Kimball/Canaanite issue.
If I had
the Melchizedech priesthood and, later, someone else did something contary
to an ordinance, why would my priesthhood be taken away? It appears, then,
that my priesthhood and subsequent exaltation is controlled by the action
of others.
You baptized me again and laid your hands on me for the Aaronic. I saw no harm in such as I saw such was a confirmation of the lesser priesthood I already had. If I already have the priesthood, why is it necessary to get it again and why even have this priesthood if it can be taken away by others actions? Sincerely, Bob
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From: Leland Freeborn i.e.
parowanprophet.com
To: Bob
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:16 PM
Subject: RE: Priesthood
question
Bob, here are some good thoughts on Priesthood. I
saw your email when I got home but my web server was down all day (2 days)
because of phone problems with the Quest lines. Some of my comments are in blue plain
to see. Others in red are
Joseph’s.
These are from the Teachings of the Prophet
Joseph Smith and the page numbers listed. Realize
that “any” priesthood authority has to conform with what has already been
revealed and not overstep the bounds of that authority.
You have the proper authority to officiate in any “Aaronic”
capacity. To baptize, bless the sacrament, slay a lamb, or other Aaronic
duties. Following are all
quotes from Joseph, they are all true and correct.
“All are bound by the principles of virtue and
happiness, but one
great privilege of the Priesthood is to obtain
revelations of the mind and will of God. It is also the
privilege of the Melchizedek Priesthood, to reprove, rebuke, and
admonish, as well as to receive revelation.
If the Church
knew all the commandments, one-half they would condemn through prejudice and ignorance.” Page
111
Today there are no revelations to the
Church, so now what does that mean! !
Have you ever seen any written revelations from any of those
authorities?
The LDS have prophets that don't prophesy,
Seers that can't see, and revelators that reveal nothing.
“The Priesthood is
everlasting—without beginning of days or end of years; without father,
mother, etc. If there is no change of ordinances there is no change of
Priesthood. Wherever the ordinances of the Gospel are
administered, there is the Priesthood.” Page 158
“Now for
Elijah. The spirit, power, and calling of Elijah is, that ye
have power to hold the key of the
revelations, ordinances, oracles, powers and endowments of the
fulness of the Melchizedek Priesthood and
of the kingdom of God on the earth;
and to receive, obtain, and perform all
the ordinances belonging to the kingdom of God.” Page 337
Bob I have
received every “key” necessary from Jesus Christ except the keys to the
resurrection. And I have not received that ordinance yet.
“The power of Elijah is sufficient to make our
calling and election sure; and the same
doctrine, where we are exhorted to go on to perfection, not laying
again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of laying on of
hands, resurrection of the dead, &c. We cannot be perfect
without the fathers, &c. We must have revelation from them,
and we can see that the doctrine of revelation
far transcends the doctrine of no
revelation; for one truth revealed from heaven is worth
all the sectarian notions in existence.” Page 338
Bob CLICK HERE to see a couple of dozen revelations I have been
given.
“Where there is no kingdom of
God there is no salvation. What
constitutes the kingdom of God? Where there is a prophet, a priest, or a righteous man unto whom God gives His oracles, there is the kingdom of God; and where the
oracles of God are not, there the kingdom of God is not.”
Page
272
“Yet the Melchizedek Priesthood
comprehends the Aaronic or Levitical Priesthood, and is the grand head, and holds the highest
authority which pertains to the priesthood, and the keys of the Kingdom of God in all ages of
the world to the latest posterity on the earth; and is the
channel through which all knowledge, doctrine, the plan of
salvation and every important matter is
revealed from heaven.
Its institution was prior to "the
foundation of this earth, or the morning stars sang together, or the Sons
of God shouted for joy," and is the highest
and holiest Priesthood, and is after the order of the Son of God, and all other
Priesthoods are only parts, ramifications, powers and blessings
belonging to the same, and are held, controlled, and directed by it.
It is the channel through which the Almighty commenced
revealing His glory at the beginning of the creation of this
earth, and through which He has
continued to reveal Himself to the children of men to the
present time, and through which He will
make known His purposes to the end of time.”
Page 166
Now!
So is God asleep? Or does he think that the death of millions is not
important?
“Now for the secret and
grand key. Though they might hear the voice of God and know
that Jesus was the Son of God, this would be no evidence that their
election and calling was made sure, that they had part with Christ, and
were joint heirs with Him. They then would want
that more sure word of prophecy, that they were sealed in the
heavens and had the promise of eternal life in the kingdom of God.
Then, having this promise sealed unto
them, it was an anchor to the soul, sure and steadfast. Though the
thunders might roll and lightnings flash, and earthquakes bellow, and war
gather thick around, yet this hope and knowledge would support the soul in
every hour of trial, trouble and tribulation. Then knowledge through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is the grand
key that unlocks the glories and mysteries of the
kingdom of heaven.
Compare this principle once with
Christendom at the present day, and where are they, with all their
boasted religion, piety and sacredness while at the same time they are
crying out against prophets, apostles,
angels, revelations, prophesying and
visions, etc. Why, they are just ripening for the damnation
of hell. They will be damned, for they reject the most glorious
principle of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and treat with disdain and trample
under foot the key that unlocks the
heavens and puts in our possession the glories of the celestial world.
Yes, I say, such will be damned, with all their professed godliness. Then
I would exhort you to go on and continue to call upon God until you make
your calling and election sure for yourselves, by
obtaining this more sure word of prophecy, and wait patiently for
the promise until you obtain it, etc.”
Page
298
“The other Comforter spoken of is a subject of great
interest, and perhaps understood by
few of this generation. After a person has faith in Christ,
repents of his sins, and is baptized for the remission of his sins and
receives the Holy Ghost, (by the laying on of hands), which is the first Comforter, then let him continue to humble
himself before God, hungering and thirsting after righteousness, and
living by every word of God, and the Lord will soon say unto him, Son,
thou shalt be exalted.
When the Lord has thoroughly
proved him, and finds that the man is determined to serve Him at all
hazards, then the man will find his calling and his election made
sure, then it will be his privilege to receive the other Comforter, which the Lord hath
promised the Saints, as is recorded in the testimony of St. John, in
the 14th chapter, from the 12th to the 27th verses. Note the 16, 17,
18, 21, 23 verses: "16. And I will pray the Father, and He shall
give you another Comforter, that he may
abide with you forever;
"17. Even the Spirit of Truth; whom the
world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him; but
ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
"18. I will
not leave you comfortless: I
will come to you. * * *
"21. He that hath my
commandments, and keepeth them he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth
me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
"23.
If a man
love me,
he will keep my word: and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him, and
make our abode with him."
Now what is
this other Comforter? It is no
more nor less than the Lord Jesus
Christ Himself; and this is
the sum and substance of the whole matter; that when any man obtains this last
Comforter, he
will have the personage of Jesus Christ to attend
him, or appear unto him from
time to time, and even He will manifest the Father unto him, and
they will take up their abode with him, and the visions
of the heavens will be opened unto him, and the Lord will teach him face to
face, and he may have a perfect
knowledge of the
mysteries of the Kingdom of God; and
this is the state and place the ancient Saints arrived at when they had
such glorious visions—Isaiah, Ezekiel, John upon the Isle of
Patmos, St. Paul in the three heavens, and all the Saints who held
communion with the general assembly and Church of the Firstborn.”
Page
150
The
people in the LDS Church don’t really believe Acts 2:17-19 about
the handmaidens.
“The sacrifice required of Abraham in the
offering up of Isaac, shows that if a man would attain to the keys of the kingdom of an endless life; he must
sacrifice all things. When God
offers a blessing or knowledge to a man, and he refuses to receive it, he
will be damned. The Israelites prayed that God would speak to Moses
and not to them; in consequence of which he cursed them with a carnal
law.
What was the power of Melchizedek? 'Twas not the Priesthood of
Aaron which administers in outward ordinances, and the
offering of sacrifices. Those holding the fulness of the Melchizedek Priesthood are kings and priests of the
Most High God, holding the keys
of power and blessings. In fact, that Priesthood is a perfect law of
theocracy, and stands as God to give laws to the people, administering
endless lives to the sons and daughters of Adam.
Abraham says to
Melchizedek, I believe all that thou hast taught me concerning the
priesthood and the coming of the Son of Man; so Melchizedek ordained
Abraham and sent him away. Abraham rejoiced, saying, Now I have a priesthood.”
Page
322
“The law revealed to Moses in Horeb never was revealed to the children of Israel as
a nation. Elijah shall reveal the covenants to seal the hearts of the
fathers to the children, and the children to the fathers. The anointing and sealing
is to be called, elected and made
sure. "Without father,
without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days nor end
of life, but made like unto the Son of God, abideth a priest
continually." The Melchizedek Priesthood holds the right from the
eternal God, and not by descent from father and mother; and that
priesthood is as eternal as God Himself, having neither beginning of days
nor end of life. The 2nd Priesthood is Patriarchal authority."
Page 323
Bob I was anointed and received Patriarchal Keys
and Authority in 1982.
I have had every key necessary
given to me by the Saviour except the keys to the resurrection.
Read my link about my 42 days of “Fasting.”
"The Holy Ghost is God's
messenger to administer in all
those priesthoods. Jesus Christ is the
heir of this Kingdom—the Only Begotten of the Father according
to the flesh, and holds the keys over all
this world.
Men have to suffer
that they may come upon Mount Zion and be
exalted above the heavens. I
know a man that has been caught up to the third heavens, and
can say, with Paul, that we have seen and heard things that are not lawful
to utter. (Aug. 27, 1843.) —DHC 5:554-556. Page 323
Yes, when I spent 3 weeks there.
"Do not watch for iniquity in each other, if you do you will not get an endowment, for God will not bestow it on such. But if we are faithful, and live by every word that proceeds forth from the mouth of God, I will venture to prophesy that we shall get a blessing that will be worth remembering, if we should live as long as John the Revelator; our blessings will be such as we have not realized before, nor received in this generation. The order of the house of God has been, and ever will be, the same, even after Christ comes; and after the termination of the thousand years it will be the same; and we shall finally enter into the celestial kingdom of God, and enjoy it forever". Page 91
"The question is frequently asked, "Can we not be
saved without going through with all those ordinances?"
I would answer, No, not the fulness of
salvation. Jesus said, There are many mansions in my Father's
house, and I will go and prepare a place for you. House here named
should have been translated kingdom; and any person who is exalted to the highest
mansion has to abide a celestial law, and
the whole law
too.
But there has been a great difficulty in getting
anything into the heads of this generation. It has been like splitting
hemlock knots with a corn-dodger for a wedge, and a pumpkin for a beetle.
Even the Saints are slow
to understand. Unwillingness of Saints to
Learn Every law ‘must’
be lived here in the flesh.
"I have tried for a number of years to get the minds of the Saints prepared to receive the things of God; but we frequently see some of them, after suffering all they have for the work of God, will fly to pieces like glass as soon as anything comes that is contrary to their traditions: they cannot stand the fire at all. How many will be able to abide a celestial law, and go through and receive their exaltation, I am unable to say, as many are called, but few are chosen. (Jan. 20, 1844.) 331—DHC 6:183-185. Views of the Prophet on His Candidacy for President of the United States
“I would not have suffered my name to have been
used by my friends on anywise as President of the United States, or
candidate for that office, if I and my friends could have had the
privilege of enjoying our religious and civil rights as American citizens,
even those rights which the Constitution guarantees unto all her citizens
alike. But this as a people we have been denied from the beginning.
Persecution has rolled upon our heads from time to time, from portions of
the United States, like peals of thunder, because of our religion; and no
portion of the Government as yet has stepped forward for our relief. And
in view of these things, I feel it to be my right and privilege to obtain
what influence and power I can, lawfully, in the United States, for the
protection of injured innocence; and if I lose my life in a good cause
I am willing to be sacrificed on the altar
of virtue, righteousness and truth, in maintaining the laws and
Constitution of the United States, if need be,
for the general good of mankind. (Feb. 8, 1844.) —DHC
6:210-211.” Page 331-332
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